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Libby gets new EPA Team Leader

perquiaga 41 posts Nov 19, 2008 4:48 PM	EPA announced at the Tuesday, November 11th LATAG meeting that Mr. Victor Ketellapper is the new Libby Superfund Site Team Leader. No one in Libby has mentioned to me that they know of Mr. Ketellapper, however in reviewing the January 9, 2003 CAG minutes I found his name mentioned: Libby Community Advisory Group Meeting Summary January 9, 2003 "Superfund Redevelopment Manager - Jim Christiansen introduced Victor Ketellapper. Mr. Ketellapper is the Superfund redevelopment manager for EPA Region 8. He has been visiting with Libby City, County, Economic Development, and Chamber of Commerce officials concerning redevelopment issues. Mr. Ketellapper stated that while EPA is not a redevelopment agency, it can take certain actions such as changing cleanup priorities to facilitate property purchases or easing liability concerns for purchasers. EPA plans to sponsor a workshop this spring to bring other agencies with more redevelopment authority and funding to Libby." I guess my question would be: What did he do for us then? What can he do for us now in his new position? I would like to hear the thoughts of the community. ---------- Phillip Erquiaga EaglesVoice.com 82 Cedar Street Extension Libby, Montana 59923 406-293-2393 perquiaga@eaglesvoice.com
mike Guest Nov 20, 2008 9:21 AM	As I recall...Their was this dude who was on the payroll by EPA.I never did see the dude but I know talk of this dude and a few EPA others took a all exspence paid duck hunting trip for 4 or 5 days.I also recall this dude owning property in Cal with ocean front property and while he was in Libby, ALL of his bills were paid(boat/cars/home,etc???),by EPA plus his wages to go duck hunting.I recall someone saying that this is what this EPA team does is travel from Superfund to Superfund to "Downplay the exposure and How much money can be made/stolen".Same routine in Libby for the last 10 years.I would think Libby is wisw enough to disect this dude and all coming to Libby to run the show bewcause it is the same old shit just a different stink.10 years and they need to be flushed.Check out this dude. sounds like the same crook to me.Course you know me...no trust no Govt.Like in the report Phillip where 4 million went somewhere.I think if someone investigated the money trail from the 16,000 samples taken prior to 2005 which were found to be clean.We know now the wrong scopes were used and still are today.Unfrickin real.That's alot of money for nothin and so would that duck hunting trip.I wouldn't be surprise if Chaney didn't go along..Just follow the duck...Take care my friends
perquiaga 42 posts Nov 20, 2008 10:08 AM	This is another Reference I found from a 2003 County Commissioner Meeting FEBRUARY 26, 2003 The Board of Lincoln County Commissioners met for a regular session at 8:00 a.m. in the Lincoln County Courthouse with all members present: Chairman John Konzen, Members Rita R. Windom and Marianne B. Roose, and Clerk of the Board Coral M. Cummings. "E.P.A. COMMITTEE TELEPHONE CONFERENCE MEETING: The Committee met in the Commissioner’s Office at 8:00 a.m. for a phone conference meeting to facilitate a revised “straw proposal agenda” for South Lincoln County Revitalization Workshop scheduled for April 25th and 26th. Present were Greg Larsen, Paul Rumelhart, Sandy Metheny, George Bauer, Sandy Wagoner, Ron Anderson, and phone conference persons Wendy Thomi and Maureen O’Reiley, EPA, Dennis Alexander, Karen Ekstrom, Kelly McQuiston, Megan Morris Victor Ketellapper." ---------- Phillip Erquiaga EaglesVoice.com 82 Cedar Street Extension Libby, Montana 59923 406-293-2393 perquiaga@eaglesvoice.com
Mike Guest Nov 20, 2008 7:24 PM	Nice list Phillip.A good start if one was to clean up the dirt in Libby.Lots of dirt.These players Phillip have been at this game for over 20 years.All part of the good ol boy and I mean that includes those who run Libby.Tight group of crooks.The voting system in Lincoln County has a smell to it.Actually, the whole country voting system has a stink.Depends if Libby wants change and someone to change it.Is it worth it???I got to thinkin Phillip,most of these players are almost played out.Their latency is here for them too.Another 10 years or so and change will happen...if Libby is worth it...I won't see it and by then I will not care.And now 4 years of Burget/Swipster/Baucus/Rehberg and others.Again...is Libby worth it.I know the next generation is nothing but worth it.If no one was allowed to move to Libby then maybe someday Libby will die with the people she killed...No more for ever more....
hereinLibby Guest Nov 21, 2008 10:32 AM	I can't help but look at this as great news..... Finally the tide turns from clean-up to recovery and revitalization. Someone from the EPA who is focused on revitalization will be a benefit to Libby. Now that the clean -up is phasing out I would encourage TAG/CAG to re-focus efforts to back community development. This is a great opportunity for Libby to emerge as a safer . cleaner, place to live and rase a family. As a Libby community member for the past 6 years I believe its time to refocus on Libby. Reading through this web site as well I think it would be a good gesture to thank Mike Crill for his past insights to the asbestos issues. His past observations have been valuable. That said I don't believe his current take on any Libby issues have any merit on future decisions that need to be made going forward. Until he can products positive constructive solutions I would take any comments with a grain of salt. The next few years will be a great time for Libby - only if the community realizes what is being offered to them in the way of help.
mike Guest Nov 21, 2008 8:50 PM	hereinLibby sure sounds like California Bob.Bob, is that you wanting to thank me and go on?Not that easy because with the WR Grace trial in Feb.and Baucus investigation into LIE TO THE PEOPLE OF LIBBY and all the players in Libby who have continued to kill people...you bet things are going to be different.Libby will be closed down to all incoming human beings and those who choose to stay can die along side of ol Libby.And no one will ever breathe Libby's deadly air...Again.Hope I'm around.All you ignorants who invest in Libby...foolish.I'm tellin you,Joe Biden and Obama WILL take care of Libby.You can bet your assbestos on that...Libby is not safe so stop telling people Libby is.This is criminal ya know...
xcav8 7 posts Nov 26, 2008 9:02 PM	I remember Mr. Ketellapper, he hung around pretty quietly. He met with the movers and shakers, privately. EPA is changing their team and tactics, but it is right out of their playbook. I used to correspond with a doctor in the Silver Valley. He would e-mail me and say, week twelve, you can expect EPA to begin to push for a TAG. He actually wrote to me and said we could expect the EPA to start asking the question "how clean is clean?" weeks before the language was used at a CAG meeting in Libby. EPA is stocking this crew with Brownsfield experts and redevelopment experts. They won't play to the public, the public is tired of hearing it anyway. This bunch is going to make their case to the County, City, EDC, Healthy Communities, Chamber and RC&D. They are going to throw money at redevelopment in an effort to get a Record of Decision. None of this will actually clean up any property. OU-1, the Export Plant, is headed for a ROD. Peronard argued against a cap on this property in 2000. Now EPA says a cap is the only way to go beause it is still the heaviest contaminated piece of property in Libby after three cleanups and millions of greenbacks. With a ROD, comes regulations governing institutional controls. Virtually every property cleaned has contamination documented as left behind by EPA. EPA has to place controls so that it isn't stirred up in the future. The O&M Group (authors of "Living with Vermiculite") has drafted 45 pages of regulations, with blanks for another 45, geared toward stopping all development in Libby. If you think the woodsmoke program is draconian, wait until it is illegal to sweep your sidewalk. We will have to get permits to mow our lawns, dig a posthole, drive off of the pavement. All because EPA refuses to remove all of the contamination. The movers and shakers will take the money and we will get left in the dust. They are counting on folks like Bob to whisper in your ear that this is good news. But one quick question Bob, how can the tide turn from cleanup when no cleanup has actually occurred? Every property is documented to have contamination left behind. Safer and cleaner don't come from stirring it up and redistributing the stuff. Mike, you are a prophet, man. How do you do it? As usual, DC Last Edited on 26-Nov-2008 9:13 PM
mike Guest Nov 27, 2008 12:25 PM	Someone told me, to find a lawyer to defend you,you may have to contact 100 lawyers but sooner or later you will find one.This is the same because I have not given up on finding someone to stop this continued deadly exposure in Libby.We do know that the last 10 years has not been a response to people/population being exposed and to make sure this does not happen again.It hasn't stopped and neither have the bad guys.They know who they are and so do we.Sure is a mess of them but easy to point out,those selling Libby and those still with their thumbs up their ass waiting for someone else to declare Libby unsafe.Other than me...DC, there is a site for Obama and Biden to hear what we/you and I, have to say.Joe Biden is on our side DC.He has had a family member die of Meso so he knows about us and the issues.I have already been in contact with them and we are getting together after Thanksgivin to discuss Libby.I am sending them all kinds of stuff,Baucus investigation and with the WR Grace trial in Feb,hopfully, I just know 2009 will be so much better..The lady I have been in contact is Wendi Lewis,she is from this new site and I feel really really good DC that these people will hear me/us and do what must be done.Plus the illegal activity that has gone on since 1999, will end.New EPA and New everything and they are all about what we are about...Change.I also am doing a story with the Clark fork paper about what not to do in a Superfund.Libby has been a good example of what not to do.I can't wait to tell them the truth.I expect them to maybe be on the side of Burget but it is the people I will be talking to not the players.Anyway good friend,you all have a special turkey day full of all the things we have to be thankful for,even when we don't see it.Say hi to family for me.
montanais4me 18 posts Dec 03, 2008 9:04 AM	I saw this on another website (topix) But I think it speeks for a lot of us in libby.... Mike ... I know its got to hurt. Libby recovering without you, but you made your decision to give up on Libby. Be truthful with yourself - I know it hurts to see Libby recovering, but let just face the facts - regardless of what ever Mike Crill says from Va. will not change the fact that Libby is a recovering town near the end of its clean up. Thats a fact you just cant ignore. You can carry the issues that Asbestos is bad... thats fine, no one disagrees. But dont think for a minute that anyone holds the town of Libby responsible. Its like saying Hiroshima was responsible for the atomic boom. Its too big of a leap in reality - even for you. Make your peace with Libby now before you die, move your life in a positive direction. Im sure your family would appreciate the change. And please ... I know this will be hard... but keep any response to this posting inline with its contents. The Libby bad - I hate Libby diatribe is wearing thin...
MIKE Guest Dec 03, 2008 10:15 PM	Bob,get a life will ya!!!I think I can truely see light with wrgrace trial(joke)in Feb.Hopfully we will see our millions owed to us and Joe Biden and Obama WILL tear Libby and all you crooks a new ahole.Joe knows all about Libby and has had a meso family member so he will shut Libby down,I promise you and with new EPA and Justice Dept.Man are alot of people going to hang.HANG!!!!!2009 Libby, the game is over.YOU are over and we shall see,I shall see...God willing.Libby is dead and will stay that way full of people just like Bob....Stay away from Libby all of you.NO CHILDREN...
RParker Guest Dec 04, 2008 11:28 AM	Clueless...I dont even think Mike live here anymore.....
mike Guest Dec 04, 2008 7:48 PM	RP.I do not live in Libby right now but I will be back for sure when I pass,Howard Lake awaits me.I also visit from time to time.I am a hour and half away and still have family dieing from asbestos in Libby.DUH!!!!Don't we all.RP...WHO's clueless?????You talkin to me????or clueless Bob.My lord,I have wrote a few books in the 20 years of me and Libby and WR Grace.Still saving people too...LOTS of people and families.Awsome job....
Mike Crill Guest Dec 04, 2008 7:51 PM	First thing to ask this new EPA leader is will he publicly state Libby is not a safe place to live and raise a family, on day one???If not, another waste of skin and another lier.Town full of liers...Someday...
xcav8 8 posts Dec 09, 2008 2:23 PM	Mike: Senator Baucus has already forced EPA's hand on that issue, the OIG report on risk assessment actually states in it's summary that EPA cannot definitively prove their actions in Libby are making things better. At the last CAG meeting we drafted a letter to the Senator thanking him for his help and requesting indictments against EPA agents. The premise of the indictments is this, if EPA can't, or won't, defend their position on protection of human health, how have their actions for the last nine years differed from the Grace executives who are charged with "knowing endangerment"? Bob once again shows that he will ignore the issues because of his warped facination with you. You have to meet with him and kiss him so we don't have to put up with his silliness any longer. Do it for the good of the community, Mike. While you deal with your net stalker, the community is moving forward. The topic here is the new team leader. Mr. Kettellapper hasn't made a public appearance yet. I think that asking him to lay it on the line would be a great way to see where he is coming from. I am on the CAG, unlike Bob who just wants to whine and not be involved, so I will take the opportunity to ask him your question at the next meeting. Thanks Mike, Sincerely, DC
Mike Crill Guest Dec 09, 2008 10:08 PM	And Libbys new Mayor Mr.Roll, he must be asked if his duties/job for the City of Libby includes a public warning that Libby is not a safe place.If not the he too is a waste of skin and a lier.It doesn't really matter now DC because my focus is being dieverted towards Change.gov. I have asked to sign on to be apart of that change being I have been fighting change in Libby and other places only this time/with this new blood and a total understand of the issues of Libby Mt...MAN!!! do we have a awsome oppertunity to be that change and with Biden/Obama support and the groups being formed as I speek, together we will move this mountain one last time and what ever happens so be it.We know what it will take for Libby to be safe for human life and I too believe it can be done but if not done right then human beings must stay away from the town that kills.Because the killings must stop and I believe 2009...they will.Superior News paper is doing a story on Superfund and I have told them basicly what not to do from what I have learned in the 10 plus years I have had to put up with all these lies and where and why Libby is where it is today.Still deadly.We shall see huh??? Take care DC and Happy Holidays.
perquiaga 43 posts Dec 10, 2008 12:13 PM	Hi All; My fear is exactly what DC states: "EPA is changing their team and tactics, but it is right out of their playbook." "EPA is stocking this crew with Brownsfield experts and redevelopment experts...This bunch is going to make their case to the County, City, EDC, Healthy Communities, Chamber and RC&D. They are going to throw money at redevelopment in an effort to get a Record of Decision." EPA will use the OU-1 ROD as a beginning guideline then move through each OU with a ROD (Without REAL Science)and the area will be no better off (Maybe Worse!) than 10 years ago. We already know how "Redevelopment" is used in Libby! I hope that Senator Baucus sees what is happening and has the fortitude to deal with it. I hope Mayor Roll will see the Light and be on the side of the people of Libby. BOB; I haven't seen you in a while, how is your wife doing? I understand your points, however Mike is very correct in most of what he says. I have learned a great deal from him. I think Mike feels that Libby should be abandoned, and in many ways he is right. Libby WILL NEVER BE CLEANED the way it needs to be. It is simply impossible to get rid of ALL the LA. But EPA should be doing the best they can Cleanup and make Libby AS SAFE AS POSSIBLE. However, I feel they ARE NOT. In this, It is OUR job to stand TOGETHER to insure a community that is as safe as possible. MIKE: As I've stated before, Libby is my home, I love Libby and the folks here. I don't see Libby being shut down, nor do I wish to see our economics and life distroyed further by scaring folks away. The answer is to get the cleanup done properly with the tools we have to work with. You are one of a handfull of folks that KNOWS the history and has done the research to know the technical and political implications of the daunting task Libby is engaged in. Thank you everyone!!! ---------- Phillip Erquiaga EaglesVoice.com 82 Cedar Street Extension Libby, Montana 59923 406-293-2393 perquiaga@eaglesvoice.com Last Edited on 10-Dec-2008 12:17 PM
perquiaga 44 posts Dec 10, 2008 12:16 PM	NOTE: GOOGLE "Victor Ketellapper" start looking at your hits. We can learn a little about who he is. ---------- Phillip Erquiaga EaglesVoice.com 82 Cedar Street Extension Libby, Montana 59923 406-293-2393 perquiaga@eaglesvoice.com
mike Guest Dec 11, 2008 7:33 AM	After viewing Ketellapper "history" I have to ask,what part of Libby's denial to the truth is apart of him?What has he done to address the deadly exposure?Again the issue becomes "How can we downplay the exposure and then How much money can be made".Sure the hell has nothing to do with doing the job right.Specially when so much is so wrong.This is why someone else needs to run the show in Libby if anything is to change.This is why people need protected while the players play their game.Their game is almost over......called Change...
Mike Guest Dec 12, 2008 11:43 PM	You know...almost 10 years ago I submitted a idea to address the contamination and clean up of Libby to be suitable and safe for human life.I first suggested to start at the mine site and work towards town.Just seemed common sense to do it that way being this asbestos fiber travels so far and for so long each time it is disturb.I suggested that the clay banks material be the ticket to COVER Libby, to cap the contamination.I even explained how and what to do.Level the clay banks, hire a army of out of work loggers,miners,etc National Guard if nessesary and get er done.I even said that this can be completed with in three years.BUT...This was befor U of M Bark test that produced proof just how deadly each tree is with finding 530 million Tremolite asbestos fibers in a gram of bark.All the trees within a 20 mile radious is now a issue.What to do? Well, I suggested that on raining days, send the armies of unemployeed to the mountains and cut ALL the trees down.Rain is the only way to do this with protecting the workers.Plus will end any exposure.Then, with the clay from the clay banks, cover the whole mine site,trees and all and put a cap/liner to seal the asbestos.There, the mine site is done.Then work towards town.At this present time, 10 years later and millions wasted this will continue until this issue/cleanup is done right.What has been done has created more exposure and contamination that nothing is clean and safe in Libby today.This is true.The Mill Town Superfund site here in Bonner is what should of been done to Libby but I do know asbestos is harder to maintain than soil that is bad.Maybe the Brownfield team will look at my idea and adapt this as a model to clean Libby right.But if the trees are not addressed/cut and the homes are not cleaned/torn down and if the lies and cover ups dont stop then again, I suggest relocating people or stop people from moving to Libby.I too believe Libby is awsome but NOT worth the pain and suffering till death.No town is....NO TOWN...
lunch at antlers Guest Dec 14, 2008 11:12 AM	Mike: most things coming from you - I just let go, but this... Oh boy. First off, I think a lot of imagination went into this solution, but very little practicality. I do have to commend you for ,at a minimum, trying to think out of the box. First off let make this a simple math problem, and just for you I'm going to keep it simple. 20 mile radius from the mine - cutting all of the trees down along with the city of Libby and putting it all in a 3 mile radius at the mine site would create a 177 thousand foot high mountain (plus or minis 20 thousand feet). This would be the largest identifiable thing that you would be able to see..... from Mars. As far as removing the trees --You missed that one by a mile.... Capturing the airborne fibers are what the trees are supposed to do... If anything ... put your unemployed to work PLANTING MORE TREES. End of the day Libby is getting cleaner.... will be ever be clean... maybe not.... but what is. I appreciate your insight to the current asbestos problem... but we are moving froward ... not backwards into the future to complete this clean up....
Mr.Asbestos Guest Dec 14, 2008 6:37 PM	Until Libby is safe and clean it is still killing people.The tree issue exists and oh gee, the trees are suppose to collect the asbestos fibers.Well let me say you are out of the box because everytime the wind blows anywhere around Rainy creek does expose and contaminate guess what???All things down wind.If you think 530 million Tremolite asbestos fibers are safe and that one tree is safe and all the asbestos floating around everyday and of course breathed in to kill you later...The only thing backwards is you and Libby Mt.You can put the bandaid on Libby,lie all you want but reguardless, if you aren't about people and stopping people from this deadly exposure that MOST of you are dying from and/or know someone sick and dying,you sure remind me of that waste of skin Bob from California who ain't got a brain one.Oh is this you Bob????Get this right, I want to stop people/families from moving/breathing Libby deadly air.What happens after that I could care less.I am not about you... I am about those you all lie to.You know, those you are killing by the lies you are telling.Where is your head at???? And OH yes the trees are the issue idiot....And Libby had no problem cutting down all those big blue spruces that were full of asbestos.No one/public were told why those trees were cut down or tested to see what was released.Imagine that will ya.Also remember,WR Grace and Libby did this to you all.Not me.And in the 10 years EPA has been in Libby, I can prove that EPA and Libby HAS gone backwards.Just look at what they have created since.Don't bother asking you will only be lied to.Better off listening to me......Bob
Mike Guest Dec 14, 2008 11:05 PM	Holy shit the bed Wilber, here comes a MICROBURST!!! Now we gotta start all over again.Libby will never be safe.NEVER....
mike Guest Dec 15, 2008 7:54 AM	And I think my idea is BRILLANT!!! You got a better one to clean Libby?To do any less is a waste of time and money that needs spent relocating the people who would like to move but can't. All of Libby people deserve a free ticket to life from WR Grace and Govt.that means enough money to have a life.Better than dieing poor and oweing the world.wish wish wish.
perquiaga 46 posts Dec 17, 2008 10:55 AM	MIKE: Your comment; "Libby is awsome but NOT worth the pain and suffering till death.No town is....NO TOWN..." Mike this is an individuals choice, not yours. I, for one, believe LIBBY IS WORTH IT!!! I also believe, compared to many other towns, Libby is less hazardious. Think of all the Unknown cantaminates, carcinagins, etc... that people around the country have no idea they're ingesting, inhaling, and absorbing. At least we are aware of the threat!!! Believe me Mike, if you KNEW what you are insuming in Missoulla you might run back here! I was in Southern California for about 10 years, if I die from some environmental contaminate, the likely source is Southern California. Clearly we cannot completely clean Libby, and we all know that. Our focus should not be the extreme i.e. Level the forests, bury the town. (This is not a practicle solution.) Our focus should be to make sure what is done to clean Libby is done as completely as technology allows. To make sure people are taken care of, to make sure the economy is taken care of, to make sure EPA doesn't try to slide the ROD's for the various OU's by us without quality science. Last but not least; Mike, Bob, D.C., Clinton, Gordon, and more. I consider all of you friends and special people trying to make a difference. I would ask that we not slam each other simply because we don't see things exactly the same. Every now and them I TRY to think in a pespective of someone other than myself. Especially the perspective of Mike, D.C., and Clinton. When I do this I actually am able to see why they feel so strongly about their position, and in doing this I always learn. The dialog I see above is why we don't get anything done. We would rather ridicule each other for not thinking a certain way as opposed to putting our heads together as a community and push the EPA for what will make Libby the safest. Have a wonderful holiday! ---------- Phillip Erquiaga EaglesVoice.com 82 Cedar Street Extension Libby, Montana 59923 406-293-2393 perquiaga@eaglesvoice.com Last Edited on 17-Dec-2008 10:57 AM
Mike Guest Dec 17, 2008 6:01 PM	If only you all would make the issue in Libby to stop telling people Libby is safe.If only you all would tell the people the truth.I know most of you would not think of telling a family Libby is safe and I would hope you would tell them to stay away.Spend 17,000 advertising Libby with the truth, not to exclude the truth about asbestos in Libby.If you all could have the EPA/Mayor/Governor/Baucus/etc etc declare Libby unsafe, maybe just maybe I can leave this alone but no one is saying this? If so, WHO??? Who is saying this when since 1999 over 300 people/families have moved to Libby.Who told them the truth??? But I am really feeling that I am beating this dead horse(Libby) to death even thou Libby continues to kill people.When you compare Libby with all the other things the world throws at us,that can and does kill us,this is just a way out of the responsibilities because my concern is Libby.So I just don't know.Reguardlees of how you all feel about my 10 years of Libby and the truth.Fact is, it is the truth.And the truth is what I have been fighting against/for since I was told Libby is killing me,a whole town and millions of people today.And what a road this has been.Got to admit,I think I have gotten my point across.After 10 plus years...yah, I am getting real tire.I want to believe that after the WR Grace trial in Feb 09 and Obama and Biden with new EPA and Justice Dept, etc etc...Oh I think Libby will be dealt with and I can be me...Happy Holidays to you all. Sincerely and Caring Mike Crill and Family.
Anonymous Guest Dec 17, 2008 6:06 PM	When asbestos was found in all the trees at the schools in Libby what did the EPA do??? Tell the kids to stay away from the trees.A 5/6 foot sheeld was to be put around all the trees to protect the kids.This was not done and the kids still play around those trees.The trees at ASA WOOD of course have the bark peeled off years ago from the kids playing on them.Did EPA test those trees where the bark is??Again a ignored concern.Their only children so who cares huh???
Truth Seeker Guest Dec 18, 2008 6:41 PM	Please have someone other than EPA/U of M/Libby control the air tests taken at the schools.10 years of false testing and lies, it's about time this gets right. Don't you think? After all, this is about your kids.My kids already have asbestos being born and raised in Libby.Thanks Libby....ps,Remember...test results were falsified and never made public that were taken at the Plummer School.EPA/Makki and others are aware of this also.Who cares huh???
hereinlibby Guest Apr 15, 2009 9:34 AM	Having recently read the Western News article on the demise of CAG, (ok demise may have been too harsh - how about re-branding). I was the one who posted back in Nov 21 what was going to happen. The big question remains - will the old issues of the past CAG carry over into whatever the "new" CAG becomes. Bill Patten hit it right on the head - he said "In addition to discussing asbestos cleanup, Patten foresees using the forum to talk about broader subjects like economic development and health care – related and unrelated to asbestos." BINGO. Going forward the CAG mantra should be "how will this improve Libby". I admit I have only been to three CAG meetings in the past year and its real easy to be an aim chair observer, but you had to have seen this coming. ..and I know whenever anyone post on tis board,(could even be why no one does), Mike will chime in with his "I hate Libby, Die Libby, Your all dead if you live in Libby" diatribe - I still live here. Its my home. I love it here - at this point of my life - I would not want to be any place else. Please Mike - take it down the road someplace else. We are trying to get changed up about Libby and the opportunity's in front of us.
Mike Crill Guest Apr 16, 2009 5:37 AM	Yah you said it right BINGO and who the hell cares about those new people moving into Libby.You don't and neither did they when my family moved to Libby.Same bunch of ignorants.You people want businesses and change.You will never get change as long as you ignorants continue to sell Libby as safe knowing you are killing those you sell to.You people are sickening for how much you people care about others.Your minds are set on money and your ignorance is set on lies and denial.Yes I will get away from ALL of you, real soon and you all can have Libby and you all deserve what comes with it.How you can kill more people is beyond me.Atleast I will be known for trying to stop what you people are doing.And I have saved many where you have saved none.It is not about YOU.This is about stopping more people from this deadly exposure.If you can't understand and care about that,I do hope you rot in hell for such ignorance...All of you.
perquiaga 71 posts Apr 16, 2009 12:45 PM	Mike; I care, and so do most of the community members who are involved in this issue. However, the solution is not to bulldoze Libby, but to make EPA do the job they are here to do!!! Those of us that love Libby have an obligation to the rest who love Libby to fight for a safe Libby. I believe Libby CAN BE as safe, and even safer, than any other community in this country if we STAND TOGETHER with a common statement, AND FIGHT. I've always deffended your opinions and your positions! However, when you say: "I do hope you rot in hell" I must draw the line. You left Libby, and are an absentee voice, who only condemns the community and is not living the battle on the front line any longer. hereinlibby; I believe you are correct, but without community involvement and support, EPA will do as they like - PERIOD!!! Bill is correct in much of what he says - We should be looking at ALL aspects of the issue, including economic development. What I question is if we can draw the necessary parties to the table? There are folks and/or entities that have their own interests in mind and won't come to the table! There are too many conflicting opinions, and VERY STRONG opinions. These folks MUST compromise, as to their opinions, to achieve a common agenda to stand on and fight with. Can we do this??? I am also concerned about a HIGHLY STRUCTURED CAG as Bill suggests. As I see it, it is more important for the people of the community to communicate than for CAG members. Maybe control is fine, but allowing people to speak at the end will not work in my opinion. Also, CAG should not be the group that other groups, such as LATAG, O&M, etc... answer to. They should not be responsible TO CAG, but should be responsible to the community, by reporting to the community THROUGH CAG. LATAG is more than open to this, but is O&M??? It would not appear so! It would also seem that Kootenai River Development Council and others like them will not participate, because they see benefit to themselves by staying out of the CAG mix and pushing for a premature ROD, that unfortunately, will end up setting a precidence for other OU's. ---------- Phillip Erquiaga EaglesVoice.com 82 Cedar Street Extension Libby, Montana 59923 406-293-2393 perquiaga@eaglesvoice.com
hearinlibby Guest Apr 16, 2009 6:35 PM	Stand by Phillip.... here come Mike's apology .... wait for it..... any minute now. You see he respects you... you provide him an outlet. He can't jeopardize harming that relationship.
Mike Crill Guest Apr 16, 2009 11:37 PM	Hows that for timing??? I like it when you respond too.I do want you all to read testimony of Hamster studies done by EPA and OSHA in the 70's.And you think they care about you or anyone.May I suggest you do all these things you want to do with Libby with out involving people moving to Libby?Put a freeze on anyone moving to Libby until it is safe,,not safer but safe.If that is what you all want, is for Libby to be safe, then you all live in Libby and make it safe.BUT UNTIL THEN stop killing more frickin people with the lies.I suppose you feel Libby is safe to all who breathe.Ask them test rats and the 2000 plus dead and dying.Oh you know, I give up on all of you and Libby.With EPA doin tests in the 70s and the killings continue...I am done.Now ya all can jump for joy but you will never ever have any one care as much as I for the sake of those we leave behind.It is a shame you don't see what I see.Thats fine.You will if you walk in my shoes.those of you who do,what can I say.Take care all of you who do care, the few I know...
Mike Crill Guest Apr 16, 2009 11:47 PM	Stand by hearinlibby...here comes Mikes response....here it is.......any second now......I do respect Phillip and DC and Clinton and Gordon and a few more,who are almost just like me.And people like you...no comment...WHAT!!!!
xcav8n Guest Apr 24, 2009 2:37 PM	Actually, here in montana, I predicted the logical outcome of EPAs actions in Libby on Nov. 26, 2008 in response to your Nov. 21st posting. Since EPA is documenting "residual contamination" on virtually every property they work on they have to modify how we use our property in the future. Libby will only be a cleaner, safer place to live and raise a family if you abstain from utilizing your greatest investment, your property. You seem ready to jump headlong in a Record of Decision on this site. Explain to us how you see revitalization in this? We recently had a meeting to discuss our woodstove program. The Operations and Maintainance Workgroup (O&M) worked with EPA to bring the woodstove program to Libby. They utilized the same methods of public coercion that you seem to embrace, money. They bought a bunch of woodstoves, invaded peoples homes, and enacted some draconian encumberments on the public at large. Their testing shows we have cleaner air, but the problems that came with the revitalization are many. The replacement stoves are not big enough to heat the homes as well as the stoves they replaced. This has forced people to pay to install and operate an alternative heat source. This leads to cleaner air, but the expense is on the back of the homeowner. Ultimately, even though the air is getting cleaner, all woodstoves will be outlawed because EPA will change the standard. Then every homeowner will have to supplement their alternative heat with primary heat. The air will get cleaner, we just can't afford to live here anymore. The O&M workgroup is doing the same thing with residual contamination left in our homes only on a ten times bigger scale. They have discussed Ordinances, Institutional Controls, and deed restrictions to regulate all sorts of actions in your home. They have discussed requiring permits, and requiring you to post a bond, before you mow your lawn, rake your leaves, and even before you can PLAY on your private property. If you have a gravel driveway or parking lot, you will pay to have them paved. If you want to move dirt on your property, even to dig a hole for your clothesline, a horseshoe pit, pound a stake in the ground for the kids' tent, you will have to get a permit and post a bond or face fines. Your neighbor can sue you if they catch you stirring up dirt without permits. I dare you to plant spring flowers. If you have a major excavation, say a sewer or water line, new garage footings, or preparation for paving, all material must be tested or removed from site and replaced with new "asbestos free" material. Your contractor will charge about four times the going rate because he now has to take time to pull permits, post a bond, pay for health screening of his employees, pay for education of same, develop a Health and Safety plan,provide personal protective equipment, provide dust control measures, pay outrageous disposal fees, hire consultants and attorneys ect. ect. ect.all because you, Bob, don't think we should make the EPA actually do what they have spent 200 million dollars avoiding. I hope you don't mind if I use your name when we have the first meeting after some homeowner gets hit for a $25,000 bill for changing a light fixture or washing his car. You don't realize that there has been no cleanup in Libby, there has been an effort to pass the costs downhill. Unless EPA actually removes the contamination, someone will have to pay every time we encounter it in the future. This is the kind of work CAG was built for. Here in Montana, did you know that WR Grace had the right, indeed was mandated by Congress, to recover costs of cleanup from every single homeowner in Libby? CAG made them drop that in item 17 of the $250 million settlement. CAG forced EPA to withdraw O&M's "living with Vermiculite" brochure. CAG members filed the complaints that exposed the lack of risk assessment work for the boondoggle that it is. CAG brought the issue of a Public Declaration of Health Emergency to the forefront. Now, CAG is saying that O&M costs are going to be greater than the State of Montana can bear, forcing them to pass those costs down the foodchain to you and your neighbors. Take off your rose colored glasses and look around, Bob.
Mike Crill Guest Apr 25, 2009 9:19 AM	My Word DC,Bob ignorance getting to you too huh.Thank you DC for this info and I wish every Bob in Libby could read this.May not matter to those but DC, this and you do matter because you do care...about us.What a road this has been and continues to be.Sure wish they would kellyhump both entrances into Libby like they do all the forest roads, to keep us people out...Maybe someone can contract the Forest Circus to join the cause.Oh I forgot, there Govt too...kinda looks like the old ploy to make life so difficult for the people that they HAVE to move without telling them why...Where did we go wrong??? we were lied to,Still are.